Alright, it's time for another "Hopes for the Ban List" post. And, let me remind everyone that this is what I HOPE will happen (hence, "HOPES for the Ban List". I do not think that very many of these things will actually happen. In fact, I'm positive that very few will actually happen.
The reason is that Konami obviously makes its ban lists to promote new products. They wanted people to buy Gold Series Haunted Mine and the Six Samurai Structure Deck, so they loosened the limits on Shien's Smoke Signal. They wanted people to stop playing T.G. Agents because they wouldn't get any additional support, so they Limited Earth and Striker. They wanted people to perhaps buy Hidden Arsenal 5, which includes Gustos, so they Semi-Limited Emergency Teleport. They wanted the OCG players to buy their most recent Gold Series, so they didn't ban Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning. There's many many many many more examples, but that's not what this post is about.
The fact that Konami makes its lists to promote new products makes it hard to predict what would happen sometimes because we don't know all of the future products. In retrospect, it's very easy to see why they made what seemed to be completely ridiculous decisions at the time. That's why I don't make predictions for the ban list. Everyone may say that it's very obvious that certain cards may be hit, but Konami may plan to release a whole archetype around those certain cards or give them massive support in upcoming sets, and would therefore not want to hit those cards.
But yeah, again, this is what I (No. 39) HOPE will happen.
The reason is that Konami obviously makes its ban lists to promote new products. They wanted people to buy Gold Series Haunted Mine and the Six Samurai Structure Deck, so they loosened the limits on Shien's Smoke Signal. They wanted people to stop playing T.G. Agents because they wouldn't get any additional support, so they Limited Earth and Striker. They wanted people to perhaps buy Hidden Arsenal 5, which includes Gustos, so they Semi-Limited Emergency Teleport. They wanted the OCG players to buy their most recent Gold Series, so they didn't ban Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning. There's many many many many more examples, but that's not what this post is about.
The fact that Konami makes its lists to promote new products makes it hard to predict what would happen sometimes because we don't know all of the future products. In retrospect, it's very easy to see why they made what seemed to be completely ridiculous decisions at the time. That's why I don't make predictions for the ban list. Everyone may say that it's very obvious that certain cards may be hit, but Konami may plan to release a whole archetype around those certain cards or give them massive support in upcoming sets, and would therefore not want to hit those cards.
But yeah, again, this is what I (No. 39) HOPE will happen.
- Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
- It's broken. If it were just a big Chaos Sorcerer, I'd be okay with it, but it has the double attack effect and can banish face-downs.
- Dandylion
- This should've been banned instead of Glow-Up Bulb and Spore.
- Gorz the Emissary of Darkness
- This card wins games that should've been lost. I've won games that I probably shouldn't have because of this card; it's that broken. Tragoedia is a much more balanced version of this card.
- Morphing Jar
- Kills Empty Jar and hurts whatever Dark World variants even play this card.
- Sangan
- This indirectly hits Tour Guide and also takes the most powerful searcher out of the game.
- Card Destruction
- This card is ridiculous in Dark Worlds. Not only is the minus from playing this card canceled out by discarding all of your Dark World Monsters, you also get to disrupt your opponent's hand.
- Future Fusion
- This card is a 1-card FTK. It also facilitates OTK's in Chaos Dragons and such.
- Gateway of the Six
- You don't deserve to win just because you play Six Samurai and opened with this card. If this doesn't get banned, then I'd be happy with Six Samurai United being Limited.
- Limiter Removal
- You don't deserve to win just because you play Machines and drew this card.
- Mind Control
- In practically every tournament report that I used this card in, I stated that I still want it banned. The fact that it can steal anything, including face-downs, is too good, and this card only gets better as new cards are released.
- Monster Reborn
- This card can bail you out of almost any situation. You can play horribly and overextend as much as you want if this is in your hand, since after your opponent runs out of answers, you just drop this and win. Or, you can top this in a losing situation and win.
Limited:
- Archlord Kristya
- Yes, this card isn't played anymore, but it's still powerful enough to warrant being it. And Herald of Perfection decks can still use this for an untouchable lock-down.
- Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World
- A Dark World discard effect that destroys anything and can turn all of your Dark Worlds into 2700 ATK floaters once it's been discarded? Yeah, no.
- Infernity Archfiend
- Infernities have been getting better and better as new sets have been released. With Lavalval Chain, Daigusto Emeral, Void Orge Dragon, and now Gagaga Gunman, I think that the ridiculous OTK loops should be put to an end.
- Inzektor Dragonfly
- This is the problem behind Inzektors. Yes, Hornet should have never existed, but nothing short of a ban on Hornet will curb this deck's power enough. Limiting Dragonfly stops the crazy perpetual plus-4, though it still allows the deck a great deal of power. Maybe Inzektors can play Beetron if this happens...
- Judgment Dragon
- Besides it having a broken effect, the main problem I have with this card is that once you can drop one, you can drop all three.
- Rescue Rabbit
- This is basically exactly like Rescue Cat, but it usually results in a 2400 ATK Solemn Judgment (Evolzar Laggia), a 2300 ATK double Divine Wrath (Evolzar Dolkka), or a 2550 ATK Special Summon lock-down with immunity from Spells/Traps (Verz Ophion).
- Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
- This has been one of the most powerful cards in the game for the longest time. It has just been too inconsistent until we got Eclipse Wyvern. But now, Limiting this will weaken both Chaos Dragons and Hieratics, but still allow both of them to be playable decks (not that that has any relevance when creating ideal ban lists).
- Treeborn Frog
- I feel as though there should only be one of these in the game. It effectively negates the cost of Tribute Summoning, which is really powerful in slower formats. And with this at 1, it'll actually be susceptible to D.D. Crow. Again, it's partially Swap Frog's fault for being able to dump multiple Frogs to the Graveyard by itself, so maybe I should want Swap Frog Limited instead.
- Wind-Up Rat
- This one is arguable, but I think that this is the main problem with Wind-Ups. The combination of Rat and Zenmaity allow Wind-Ups to drop a series of Rank 3 Xyz Monsters. With either one of them Limited, then the Hunter loop only hits two cards and the deck can't swarm. I chose Rat over Zenmaity for being Limited because Rat is the instant Rank 3 Xyz, whereas Zenmaity just grabs another Wind-Up after you've already committed two cards (unless one of them was Rat...).
- Mystical Space Typhoon
- With Heavy Storm legal, MST becomes incredibly powerful. If we could go back to the days where Heavy Storm and MST were both Limited, then I'd be happy. Of course, Konami may just decide to ban Heavy Storm again and leave us with three MST's. Having played through a year without Heavy Storm, I realize that I don't really care what happens to Heavy Storm. If everyone plays Stun decks, it makes it a lot easier to win, since you aren't losing on turn three to OTK's half the time.
- Rekindling
- This card can make you Shooting Quasar Dragon at a plus. Yeah, no.
- Royal Tribute
- Just because Gravekeeper's are bad doesn't mean that this card isn't broken.
- Shien's Smoke Signal
- This was only Semi-Limited because Konami wanted to sell their Structure Deck. Hopefully it'll be Limited again, since Six Samurai shouldn't have this much consistency.
- Wind-Up Factory
- I realize that many Wind-Up decks don't even use Factory, but it's still the Black Whirlwind of Wind-Ups. If you can't get rid of Factory, then your opponent will never run out of Wind-Up Monsters.
- Solemn Warning
- Summon negation without any loss in card advantage is too powerful.
- Ultimate Offering
- This card is absolutely crazy in Offering Gadgets, which has been doing very well in Japan from what I've been seeing. Konami probably won't hit this because then people won't buy Return of the Duelist for Gear Gigant X, but hopefully something is done about this.
Semi-Limited:
- Master Hyperion
- The Agent of Creation - Venus
- The Agent of Mystery - Earth
- I think that Agents were hit a little too hard with Earth to 1. The deck honestly wasn't that good or powerful, it was just that multiple Hyperions could cause a great deal of trouble. With Hyperion, Venus, and Earth all moved to two (along with T.G. Striker at 3), the deck should be balanced.
- Hieratic Seal of Convocation
- This is a powerful search card for a fairly powerful deck. I feel as though it should be hit in some way, since if everything else is slowed down, this Hieratics will become the fastest deck.
- Miracle Fusion
- I think that it's time HEROes got hit in some way. With Blade Armor Ninja and Heroic Champion Excalibur, HEROes have been given multiple ways to OTK. I think that banning Stratos may do the trick, but that may be a little harsh. Semi-Limiting Miracle Fusion would solve the same problem I have with Hyperion, which is that being able to drop multiples make it too powerful.
Unlimited:
- Glow-Up Bulb
- Spore
- Dandylion should've been banned instead of these two Plant Tuners. Yes, they can revive themselves, but Spore at least requires some deck dedication. Glow-Up Bulb could stay banned for all I care, as long as Spore and Dandylion switch places.
- T.G. Striker
- Yes, Konami hit this card to stop people from playing T.G. Agents in the OCG and also to stop people from playing Synchros, but this card isn't broken, and I want it to come back. I miss playing T.G. Zombies...
- Magical Stone Excavation
- Who cares if this is at three? The decks that would use three have access to Spell Reproduction anyways.
- Primal Seed
- Even if BLS is legal, no one would use this card.
But yeah, that about does it for what I hope happens. If I wanted to be selfish, I could ask for Goyo Guardian and/or Trishula to be unbanned, as well as Mezuki being Semi-Limited or Unlimited, but I'd prefer a balanced game rather than my own selfish wishes. There's probably also some stuff that I missed and whatnot, but it doesn't really matter.
So yeah, the ban list should be out in about five weeks, so I guess that's what we'll all be waiting for.
Also, I put up another Heavy Storm poll like I did a year ago. I'm interested in seeing what you guys think should happen to Heavy Storm...
So much hate on everything, Grunty. So much hate lol.
ReplyDeleteIndeed.
DeleteBut seriously, once the top tier stuff is hit, everything below it becomes more powerful, which would then require attention, and so on. So I'm not just trying to meta nuke the top tier decks, I'm hoping for a more balanced game.
They'll never make this game balanced, dude. Which is why I stopped playing in the middle of the format around late April to now (Considering coming back). You know Konami, they LOVE to troll around with their players.
DeleteYeah, that's why this is just what I hope will happen. I mean, part of why I continue to tolerate the game is because I like the challenge of trying to make a deck that can beat the broken top tier decks.
DeleteAnd of course, if Kaijudo takes off, then I won't have to care as much about Yu-Gi-Oh.
I hope so too, Konami just doesn't really care about the status of their playerbase.
DeleteNot really realistic. To much hate on everything.
ReplyDeleteThanks for reading the first few paragraphs of the post. You know, the ones that acknowledged that Konami would never actually make a list like this?
DeleteYup. True,Konami are a bunch of money making arces.
DeleteAs usual doing your duties as a samurai killer lololololo
I have been running Machines....
The way you say "Limiter Removal
You don't deserve to win just because you play Machines and drew this card.". really gives me a thought.
I was winning my matches becuz of this card.
Yeah, Quick-Play ATK-doubling cards that affect your whole field are objectively broken. Of course, they won't ban it, since Konami likes sacky card in the game, since it supposedly makes the game more exciting.
DeleteHeavy Storm needs to stay...seriously do not want another 'set 5, summon tking, win' format...problem imo is the 3 mst...should be 1 heavy, 1 mst
ReplyDeleteYeah, the problem is the fact that MST is Unlimited, but Konami doesn't really care about the problems. They care about making money. If Heavy Storm banned means more profits, then they'll do it.
DeleteAnd really, the format without Heavy Storm wasn't that bad. I actually think that it was better than the current format since there was only a small chance that you'd die within the first few turns, and that was only if you played against Six Samurai.
Besides, the format never really boiled down to "Set 5, summon Monster, win." You could copy your opponent's play, or play around or through their back rows. After a year of playing against it, it becomes quite easy. And of course, you can't win every game; sometimes your opponent would open like that and you'd open horrible, and there'd be nothing you can do. It happens.
Finally, someone agrees with my opinion of REDMD. But the wish won't come true. KOnami is a money making machine.
ReplyDeleteI feel like they could afford to hit it, seeing as how there's not going to be much Dragon support in the near future from what we can see.
DeleteTo be honest whoever says that lightpulsar is 100% in credit to helping Chaos Dragon in winning is crazy.
DeleteCan't they understand without REDMD means Lightpulsar lost half its potential.
To be honest, it is not T.G striker's fault that it is limited. Striker itself is just a mini cyber dragon, it is because it can make trishula that is why it is hit! (Trishula is banned as well, o.o.... so what is the point?)
DeleteIt is not striker's fault that he can make trishula. It is Venus'd fault as she produced two balls for this man!!!
If konsmi is to hit, hit that daughter of a bastard, Venus.
My personal opinion is ban heavy keep 3 mst. Mst is a balanced 1-1 card. Heavy, is always at least 1-1 if not a lot more. The #1 play of this entire format is "set 2, Hope he doesnt have heavy." Heavy is the facilitator for this entire 2 turn win format we have had, and this will be solved by letting slower decks such as frognarchs and gks back into the meta, provided some of the above hits do reach the list.
ReplyDeleteI agree that banning Heavy Storm will allow slower decks to compete, but Heavy Storm isn't necessarily the card at fault here. Chaos Dragons could easily OTK you, regardless of Heavy Storm's place on the ban list. Yes, it makes it easier to OTK, but I believe that it's the broken Monsters that cause Heavy Storm to be so abusable. I mean, if there were no OTK's, Heavy Storm wouldn't be nearly as powerful.
DeleteAnd of course, there's the argument that the lack of Heavy Storm allows for players to skilllessly Set all of their back rows without fear. I'm pretty sure that we're all familiar with that, and while I don't care either way, I think that banning Heavy Storm makes it easier for less skilled players to win. They neither have to play around Heavy Storm, nor know when to effectively use their own Heavy Storm. As broken as it is, Heavy Storm adds skill to the game, which is something that I appreciate about it.
i disagree with gorz theres a very big skill factor that goes along with using it such as bluffing gorz
ReplyDeleteI think that you're overestimating the amount of skill that it takes to bluff Gorz; I definitely would not say that there's a "very big skill factor" with using Gorz.
DeleteYes, there is some skill in using it. There is at least a small amount of skill necessary to use any card. I mean, you obviously don't use Monster Reborn just to revive a Tour Guide to attack with, and you don't use Shien's Smoke Signal to search Hand of the Six Samurai when you have Kagemusha in hand...
With Gorz, the amount of skill necessary to use it effectively is negligible. Better players will use it more effectively, but the insane reward that you get for dropping Gorz is practically constant regardless of skill level.
and also as you stated since orphion exists gorz gets worse so why should it be banned when all gorz did was punish people for overextending?
ReplyDeleteGorz doesn't punish people for overextending; it punishes people for attacking directly. If anything, you have to overextend to kill Gorz once it's dropped.
Deletethe thing with mst is its greatly needed in these formats with gates of the darkwolrd and chain burn being a top tier deck in some areas msts are really great but takes away the pro heavy trick and hunter needs a ban and rat needs the limit even two cards is too much just like delinquent except better
ReplyDeleteMST is not "greatly needed" just because there are broken Field Spells and such running around. There are plenty of other balanced Spell/Trap removal cards that don't take away from the skill that a format with Heavy Storm requires. If you're afraid of Dark Worlds and Chain Burn, play Dust Tornado and Royal Decree.
Deletetrust me heros are gonna get hit hard they are raping the ocg as well as inzekotrs they're gonna take it to the face
ReplyDeletestriker needs to stay at 1 with mst at 1 tgs will raign supreme theres two reasons why striker got limited in the firts place
ReplyDeleteNo, T.G. Striker was Limited because of T.G. Agent Fairies. T.G. Stun decks focus more on Warwolf and Rush Rhino than Striker, often playing only two Strikers anyways.
DeleteIf you're the Anon posting all of the following comments, then please consolidate all of your points into one comment instead of posting ten small comments...
ReplyDeletethen how come tgs went from tier 2 to not seen anywhere?
ReplyDeleteThere were several other ways in which T.G. Stun, as well as other Stun decks, were hit both directly and indirectly since the ban list.
DeleteFor T.G. Stun specifically, Reborn Tengu was Limited. How many T.G. Stun decks played three Striker? Zero? How many played three Reborn Tengu? All of them.
For Stun decks in general, the format just got too fast for them to cope. Not to mention that Stun decks tend to have bad match-ups against decks like Dark Worlds and Inzektors.
You're seriously overestimating the usefulness of Striker in T.G Stun. This along with all of your other posts shows me that you really have no idea what you're talking about. Please, gain some perspective before trying to debate such silly points.
y do you wanna hit six samurais when they can barely top against lightpulsar and so on?
ReplyDeleteThey have broken cards. I'm pretty sure Agent Fairies and Infernities don't have a chance this meta either, but I still want them hit too because they have broken cards.
DeleteYou see, once the top decks are hit, the next most powerful decks will become the top decks. Then, everyone will complain about those decks. Six Samurai may not be the best deck right now, but they will be if you hit everything that's better than them. It's very simple.
the ban list will be hitting
ReplyDeleteBANNED: BLS EOTB, FUTURE FUSION, MONSTER REBORN, HEAVY STORM, MIND CONTROL, CARD DESTRUCTION, BRIONAC, DAD, HUNTER
LIMITED TO 1: DRAGONFLY, RED-EYES DARKNESS METAL, STRATOS, SUPER POLY, MIRACLE FUSION
SEMI-LIMITED: LEGENDARY SIX SAMURAI SHIEN, RESCUE RABBIT, TOUR GUIDE OF THE UNDERWORLD,
UNBANNED: SPORE, FORMULA SYNCH., SHIEN SMOKE SIGNAL